Franz wasn't even on the GB yet... Am I wrong?
Captain Obvious
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Ray Franz blamed for 1975 false prophecy
by EndofMysteries ini was raised a jw and as a kid my family made brief mention of apostates in bethel that falsely prophecied about 1975 and were kicked out of bethel.
i was shocked after i got out and learned that him being removed had absolutely nothing to do with 1975. i think that partial lie spread is what kept my relatives in.
1975 a big let down/false prophecy, then they are told that a governing body member and many in bethel are found apostate and cleaned out, etc.
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Jehovah's Witnesses Are Clueless!
by minimus ini really don't think they get it.. they have their blinders on and just won't think about anything that could possibly make them question anything.. they are like stepford families and robots.
they do as they're told while they have that dense look on their faces.. ok, that's my vent for the moment.. .
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Captain Obvious
That's no way to live.. It's sad that the more a JW is paranoid about deemunz, the more they think they encounter them!
Must be terrifying
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Did a householder at the door ever cause you doubts
by perfect1 inrecently on a saturday morning there was a knock on my door.
two ladies asked me if i was familiar with the jws.
i said: yes unfortunatley.
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Captain Obvious
Two years ago I was on a rare trip out in service with a buddy and I had a "nice call" with a young woman who had recently begun attending a nearby church. She said she loved the congregation but she still had some questions. Of course I was happy to hear them! She said, "what does it mean to get saved, and how do you do it?"
I bumbled and fumbled through a sheepish explanation that we do our best to follow gods (GB's) principles, and maybe he will save us. She then showed me the scripture in her own bible about grace... Not undeserved kindness.. Puzzled, I placed a bible teach book with her and left. That night I began researching in an interlinear.. I began challenging the NWT... Within a week my cog dis was so bad I couldnt stand the meetings, within 3 months I didn't believe in the WT and within 6 months of that I was an Atheist! My last time out in service was in March 2012 and even then I didn't get out of the truck, just drove The group.
So simple... So easy. Just a simple question that is easily refuted by the bible itself in a more honest translation. If I knew where that girl was now I'd thank her for setting me free.
By the way, awesome thread! Might be a good source of material for when we get called on or for other conversations with JWs.
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Where WT Linear Thinking Leads When You Discredit 1914
by mrquik inbecause 1914 wasn't the beginning or ending of anything (see jwfacts for overwhelming evidence);.
1. witnesses are still in "gentile times".
2. jesus' hasn't begun to reign in kingdom.
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Captain Obvious
Unfortunately, many witlesses just doze through the studies, not really grasping what is being talked about.. Especially in the most important studies. If 1914 were to change, many would shrug and say, "so? It's still The Truth!"
My wife is one of these. Absolutely no grasp of what 1914 means, or anything else. Just listen, obey and be blessed.
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Jehovah's Witnesses Are Clueless!
by minimus ini really don't think they get it.. they have their blinders on and just won't think about anything that could possibly make them question anything.. they are like stepford families and robots.
they do as they're told while they have that dense look on their faces.. ok, that's my vent for the moment.. .
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Captain Obvious
Well... Itsacult
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Am I in a "cool hall " or what?
by ?me? inanybody else in the situation i am?
me and the wife go to a hall that is pretty "hands off".
i have not really been out in service for probably 1.5 years and my wife has went out maybe 3 times in the last year.
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Captain Obvious
The RBC doesn't follow up after you are approved the first time. Just ignore the invites.
?me? I think if you lived closer to us we'd be buds
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How do believers defend a god who is going to murder billions and pin it on them?
by tootired2care inat that time those slain by the lord will be everywherefrom one end of the earth to the other.
they will not be mourned or gathered up or buried, but will be like dung lying on the ground.
- jerimiah 25:33.
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Captain Obvious
Tootired2care, I tip my hat.
Even if god is real, he's a dick. The more people who don't believe in him, the better. If he is anything like he has shown himself to be since Jesus supposedly came here or how he is described in the OT, he does not deserve worship. He should go back to where he came from and stay there. Humans have done more to help their situation than he EVER did.
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What is happening in Mexico?
by ILoveTTATT ini have heard that a lot of the english congregations in mexico are shutting down... they are condensing 5 congregations into one, or in some areas even disbanding the only english congregation.
jw's who have been living in mexico for many years and probably were sheltered by being in the english congregations will now have to move to spanish congregations.... .
ilttatt.
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Captain Obvious
A big selling point of tribe studies in the English congs is that it will help the student learn and practice English. May e they are tired of giving free English lessons to people who speak Spanish just fine anyway?
Besides, the white folks who go vacation pioneering like to party a bit more than the locals, maybe a bad influence?
My family and I went to Mexico for a few months years back... They pioneered, I partied!
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This website finally helped me understand the claim of 100% failure rate
by ILoveTTATT inup to about 5 minutes ago... i still had the notion that maybe jw's predicted something and got it right... that the league of nations was going to rise and become the united nations.
i think that jw prophecies/predictions are like a shotgun: shoots many projectiles, one of them has got to hit.
you cannot predict 5 different things and then, when one of them gets partly fulfilled, drop the other 4.5 things, change the 1/2 thing you predicted that was right and make it seem like that was the only thing you predicted, and make the entire one point fit after the fact.. reading watchtower literature throughout the years (1879 till now), and then coming here and getting awesome explanations from people like leolaia and other researchers, i finally understand the claim that most apostate websites make: the wt has a 100% prediction failure rate.. they were lucky that something big happened in 1914... but now i am much wiser and i know that everything they predicted for 1914 did not turn out as they predicted... 1914 has been a date with many different hats... from the start of armageddon, to the beginning of the last days... etc.... thank you very much jwn for completely opening my mind.
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Captain Obvious
I believe at first 1914 was predicted to be the very end of Armageddon.. The very end of human rule on the earth, to be replaced by heavenly rule. This was held for some years after walrus sell died in 1916. Rutherford claimed that "the kingdom is now already 9 years old." (Paraphrasing)
This does not matter to Dubs, nor does doctrine. The GB could come it and say, "we made it all up! None of this is true, god is fake. Haha!" And there would still be an impressive number that stay, maybe even start a splinter group.
You Are right though, it is no exaggeration to say that the WT and all involved have a 100% success rate... Of failure
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Are YOU a Believer, Atheist, Agnostic, Active JW or WHAT?
by Greybeard insorry if this has been asked before but i would love to know the current ratio on this forum.. i'm a believer/christian former jw for 45 years... born in .
what are you now and what were you?.
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Captain Obvious
I, for one would love to see a thread where Cofty and SBF go at it. It wouldn't accomplish anything, but would sure be interesting.
Oh and I prefer the term 'Secular Humanist.'